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Wednesday, December 21, 2005

A mental mould to fit people


{It has nothing to do with my previous posts. But, off late, I have experienced a lot of "typecasting"amongst people. All this is purely my experience and not meant to be targetted at anyone in general}
P.S:-Contrary to what this post reflects, I am not angry or pissed or anything. Just hoping that people do not have any pre conceived notions about anything:)]

As you all know, I am from Bombay. So what??Just like some people live in Hyderabad or Amritsar or any other city. Agreed, that people are usually known by their mentality. Like, people from Mumbai are generally considered to be "open minded and adaptable" [I have been told this many times, and have heard it a zillion times], but in a city where majority of nation's population is condensed, you find people who are not only "not open minded but extremely narrow minded"as compared to a person in any other town in India.

Likewise, women from Bombay are considered to be "fast, party lovers, ambitious and anything but homely".People might debate that this is not true. But, believe me I have heard this about US.

Well, life in Mumbai is fast but on what basis do people generalize or typecast others.

Despite living in Mumbai, I have never been to discotheques. Its not that I never wanted to, but at that time, I was focused and was not thinking about anything beyond my career. So does that make me "oh-not-so-mumbaiyya"?

Amongst women who go to professional colleges and who work from 6:00 AM until past mid night, there are girls who do not make a career for themselves.

There are an assortment of people anywhere you go. You dont generalize people by making claims that "people from one city are necessarily that way".

Girls from villages need not be "docile and naive"and there are naive and docile girls in metropolitan cities too.

That was the case in India.
Here in the West and people's perception about "Uncle Sam":

There are people who think that Americans marry and have pre-nuptial agreements for "when"they get divorced, and not "if"they get divorced.

Agreed that the divorce rates are high here, but does that mean some people do not trust the institution of marriage here? Or is it that people in India do not get divorced? Its because, people here refuse to take crap from their spouses. You abuse your wife and you will be presented with divorce papers. We Indians believe in keeping up relationships. Many wives prefer to be beaten up by their spouses and living in a bad marriage only coz divorcing a husband is still not accepted in Indian society.


Does it mean that Amroos do not have a heart or do not treasure relationships??

Read on:-

My Professor in Shreveport has been with his wife since the age of 14. They have been together for more than 35 years now. He always told me "Some people find their souldmates at the age of 14 and some at the age of 24. Since, I have known what Love is, she is the only one whom I have ever loved".


Another stereotype: "Amroos are meat eaters. They cant think beyond beef and pork"
Aah! the same professors both the daughters are vegetarians! They had a Thanksgiving party sans turkey but with vegeterian pizza.
(American Born Confused Desi) and food:
So here this friend of mine who has done her UG in USA has invited all of us for dinner. She had Samosas and Alu parathas as part of the meal. So this smart Indian dude says "you make samosas" or you "ordered them". She cooly took a part of the dough and made a triangle and filled it with the filling. This guy was shocked! So, you KNOW to make samosas, despite being an ABCD? OK! now in which dictionary is it written that Indian girls raised here or spent their growing up years in the US cannot cook?? That girl started cooking since she was 16 or 17 and I never cooked until I came here at the age of 22. To this date, I cannot make samosas. I also know of few girls who have spent their life in India and who came here and who still live on Maggi and frozen food.
So why, do people make such claims? Who decides, how a particular class of people are supposed to behave? They are all resultant of our beliefs and a set of standards that we use in order to compare people.

Yet another: "For people here, USA is the world. Any other country is "rest of the world"

Really?? Go get your basics right before you did that. My personal experience again goes back to another Irish professor of mine who has lived in the US for 45 years now. He is an American citizen now. He is someone who took the recipe for "Alu gobi" from me, and who makes the same dish better than I do". He is aware of every other spice, orders it from the web and stocks it too. There might be many Indians who do not stock "asafoetida" (hing in hindi) in their kitchen, but my professor even knows in which dish you need to add that spice to.
They do know what India is and what it is famous for. 3 out of 10 people might still consider India to be a third world country but the remaining 7 do know about "Indian food, clothes, Bollywood, Bangalore, Mumbai, Taj Mahal" are.
This same professor of mine has watched "Lagaan" to understand what is the hype about "Cricket".
Following stereotypes is one thing and blindly making judgements is another thing. You have to think outside the "box" in order to benefit out of diverse culture. Just harping about people, city and how bad a country is, are not signs of an educated person.

Education is meant for people to live in harmony with others, in growing out of differences and thinking beyond "color"!
Talking of which!

The only colors that one can identify a person is with "black" and "White"
First of all they are just skin colors that does not reflect your true self.

The very first time that I entered this country and spent one year of my life is "Louisiana". A state rich in terms of Afro-American history. Exactly! Afro-American is THE word. Nor "Black, Kallu, Shyam bhai". It irks me when I hear people using such terms for one who is not even responsible for the skin color he has got. They do not scare you. They are one amongst us. They do normal jobs like we do, they also get degrees and earn a living.
The other day a person and me were having a discussion. When he quipped, "Gorya mulee saglya changlya distat" [Meaning:All "white"girls look good"]
I detest using the term white for a person. "Caucasian"is THE word. Why only a skin colors determines "beauty"of a person?? Isnt beauty a cumulative word given to "features" that includes eyes, nose and the face TOO??
Enter Marriage "Market" the demand is for fair and educated wife!
When you yourself ask for a "fair" girl do you really think you are "Educated"??
Much emphasis is laid on the skin tone than any other quality that a girl possesses.
Why, cant a dusky girl make a good wife?? Of course! it depends on each individual as to how exactly he wants to define "wife":)
To me it signifies "Narrow minded mentality" and "hypocrisy". People who claim to be educated lots and who still judge a person with respect to his color and who are broad minded to that level that "watching hollywood movies and drinking alcohol suggests sophistication"
Wish people could judge a commoner based on what lies within rather than the exterior! Just going abroad and getting yourself a degree does not mean you are educated.
Remember, someone somewhere is judging you based on what you say.

Comments on "A mental mould to fit people"

 

Blogger Sayesha said ... (8:19 PM) : 

Awesome!!!

Kya likha hai! :)

 

Blogger Sayesha said ... (8:19 PM) : 

And me first! (with a lil help)! :P

 

Blogger Rays Of Sun said ... (8:21 PM) : 

#Sash!

Wowo!itnee jaldi padh bhi leeya??
Any expert opinions:)?

 

Blogger Nandya said ... (8:43 PM) : 

oh boy...somebody is steaming here...nostrils flaring and smoke bellowing......YOU GO GIRL...FAST...ok u go fast fast...

 

Blogger Rays Of Sun said ... (8:45 PM) : 

Nandu!

**Amused** is the expression here:)

 

Blogger Sayesha said ... (8:55 PM) : 

Pehle post excitement mein tha... shabashi ke liye...

Now I will actually comment. The problem is that people may think a lot of things but they should know when to open their mouths. I recently read a very racist post that disturbed me. A person may be racist, and find it difficult to shrug it off, but he should not go around making racist statements! Even if his experience was not a good one, he cannot generalise for the entire race. He can have his own opinions but he has no right to hurt/offend others because of his views. Being open about what you feel should NEVER be considered the same as saying things that offend people.

 

Blogger Rays Of Sun said ... (9:03 PM) : 

Believe me Sayesha, people write racist posts in order to think that this is "What they feel" but the net is a powerful media. People do get influenced. If many people read such things, especially if they have not BEEN there or EXPERIENCED that, are going to form opinions which might not be the correct impressions about the place or its people.
Each one is entitled to their own opinions but they have to make sure that they are not advocating FALSE impressions or projected opinions.

Each time you write something, you have to mentally think "Can I relate to this 20 years down the line, when I have my kids"What kind of "education" are you going to impart them??

 

Blogger Thanu said ... (10:22 PM) : 

Nice post. U sound really mad at these things, or these people. Sound very fuming.

 

Blogger virdi said ... (11:04 PM) : 

wakawwwwwwww!!!

women from Bombay are fast and party going?? what are you saying?? i think women from Bombay are local tran travellers and then they look into someone's eyes in the local trains and "aakhon hi aakhon mein ishara ho gaya!!"

kyun ho gaya na??

V..

 

Blogger ritzkini said ... (11:51 PM) : 

huh ?? yeh kya shot hai ??!!
"amroos" and "deep" post in the same breath !!
hmm...
=))

 

Blogger PuNeEt said ... (12:24 AM) : 

OMG...
Puri tarah se uttar ke rakh di...

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:41 AM) : 

Great post ROS, the problem you mention is I guess the root cause of India-Pakistan problems as well, although that's in a different flavor. Just because a few Muslims have been bad to Hindus, and a few Hindus have been bad to Muslims, they have been assumed to be enemies.

Once again, commendable.

 

Blogger The Bhandari's said ... (1:06 AM) : 

Well said...... and the best one I wud again like to qoute here is
"Enter Marriage "Market" the demand is for fair and educated wife!
When you yourself ask for a "fair" girl do you really think you are "Educated"??
Much emphasis is laid on the skin tone than any other quality that a girl possesses.
Why, cant a dusky girl make a good wife??"

I completly agree to it.

 

Blogger Thanu said ... (2:01 AM) : 

Me 100% agree with Vikram, California ROCKS

 

Blogger Kaala Kavva said ... (2:32 AM) : 

Dekh sunrays...
I agree with whatever you say...
U said,

Remember, someone somewhere is judging you based on what you say.

And till the day you're caring for what others think of you, you're doing nothing but harming and disturbing yourself because it will never matter.

thats what I think...

 

Blogger Raj said ... (4:06 AM) : 

Very true.

Great post.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:01 AM) : 

Great post ROS. In psychology,we are always thaught that people make sense of their world by dividing things and other people up into categories. But I guess the problem arises when they insist on holding onto the category labels only, without any consideration for individual diversity within the category.

This type of stereotyping also exists in the Indian society...and runs much deeper than one would think. People have stereotypes about people from 'lower castes'. Infact, the system of racism and white privilege here bares unique parallels with the caste system in India...if you think about it.
As far as the term 'ABCD' is concerned..I do not use it...specifically for the 'C' part. Confused? American born desi's are confused about what? About their identity as Indians and Americans? That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.
Even Indian's such as ourselves who come over for higher education to the US, psychologically speaking, go through a long drawn out process of cultural identity redevelopment...because we come from a society which is quite homogenous to a society which is extremely diverse, and in which the mainstream cultural values are often looked upon as being the gold standard.
Anyway...that's my soap box right there...and my research too!!!
Great post..keep up the good work.

 

Blogger Deeps said ... (8:39 AM) : 

I think some of the presumptions that people make about Amroos is because they are open about it.

For eg: if you take marriage and divorce, they say openly that yup they are divorced. But in India, if there's a divorce its all hushed up as much as possible.

And regarding Vegetarianism, to be very honest, even MacDonalds doesn't sell a vegetarian burger. If you find anything veggie in the Amroo restaurants, its salads. And most places do sell beef and ham, so the presumption is pretty natural. What we don't think is what the Amroos might be eating at home..

You professors are certainly wonderful. But I do know Americans who don't all know that India is a developed country now and not a snake-charmers land. One of my hubby's Amroo colleagues was very surprised that I listen to Western metal and that my brother plays a guitar in a metal band. But I do have to say that they never treat us any different from themselves. The presumptions get resolved only when you get to know them and they get to know us :)

 

Blogger aria said ... (8:46 AM) : 

Hmm .. this is so true .. but thts how ppl are .. its easier for most ppl to typecast others - saves the trouble of using brains n then analyzing people or situation with with rationale

 

Blogger Rays Of Sun said ... (10:43 AM) : 

#Thanu,
Naah! Me never fumes. Just being open about what I feel!
:)

#Virdi!
Yep “That Bombay Girl” was “slow”:)

#Kini,
Hum aise hi hain, kya Karen=)) and whats with the ROTFL symbol?? Hamesha aise hi hasta rehta hai kya:))

#Ganga!
Yep! That’s what am trying to do now. Ignore, it always helps:)
//beautiful minded girl from Bombay// Thanks for this compliment, Ganga, I am honored!

#Viks
Sheesh! I wont never write a post based on what you or my other friends say, coz I take it in the right spirit. This post doesn’t suggest that and you know what it is:D
And am sure California rocks and I agree to that that:)
Also, I had written a post sometime back saying ABCD is not the term I like to use. While editing my post that line sowmehow got erased. You are very well aware that I do not use THAT term and Thanu agrees to that too:)

#Poo
Kya Karen kal gadi bandh pad gayee so ghar jaldee aake, waise hi bore ho raha tha, so kaafi vella time tha:))

#Sifar,
Welcome!
Like your name..
I am glad you took this in the right way, coz this was what I wanted to drive at.
Bulls eye!
I did not want to mention specifically about that coz it’s a sensitive issue for many!
I read an interesting post related to this here:
http://bytebite.net/adjournment/?p=13

if many people think about it in a positive light, our minds would be free of some clutter!

#Susubala,
Welcome!
//Its all our attitudes count.//Exactly!!
Thank you!
Keep visiting:)

 

Blogger Rays Of Sun said ... (10:51 AM) : 

#Preeti and Sachin!
Welcome!
I am glad I have three new visitors now! Now I am convinced I have done a good job at atleast spreading good things even though it might have come across as fuming!
Glad you agree! Though people might have their own judgement!

#Thanu!
Right now Omaha rocks 70%. No snow for 2 weeks.Yeayyyyyyy
And it rocks coz of beautiful ppl like you two!

#Z kid!
Remember, someone somewhere is judging you based on what you say.
Was said coz, You pass racist remarks, people will take you for that.
I don’t really care what other think of me but I don’t want them to think about a place or a certain sect of people based on what is said or heard.
That’s all!

#Raj!
Thanks!:)

#Freako
You already know my take on everything:)

#Deeps!
//if there's a divorce its all hushed up as much as possible
True!
//What we don't think is what the Amroos might be eating at home..//
Very very true:0
//who don't all know that India is a developed country now and not a snake-charmers land.//
Agree on that, but I am not saying that only WE are that way. If an Amroo still feels that way, too bad for him. He is totally paralyzed when it comes to global knowledge then!
Yep! That’s the whole point yaar! Do not judge anything without knowing!

#Aria!
There are lot of things that you can do easily. Forming opinions and being judgemental are the most easiest tasks one can do! BTW, how are you??

#Prady!
:D [you kno what that smiley means}:)

 

Blogger Kaala Kavva said ... (11:23 AM) : 

oh thatways!

 

Blogger Ginkgo said ... (11:39 AM) : 

There are always exceptions..

and exceptions may or maynot make a rule... :-)

So rest easy..and happy hols :-)

 

Blogger jeenu said ... (1:55 PM) : 

hey ROS
i agree with u
my budda met his wife when he was 17 and they have been together since then...he is 61 now..and whenever he talks of his wife ..u can see how much he loves her..
well my hope is i get a good hubby like that some day..
I agree with Gi there are always exceptions to the rule and u can judge the ppl becos of where they are from..:D
nice topic
cheers
jeenu

 

Blogger Rays Of Sun said ... (2:07 PM) : 

#Zkid!
Yeah:D


#Gi!
Exactly:) These exceptions only make a hell lot of difference:)
Happy hols to you as well, buddy:)

#Jeens!
Welcome back baby! Missed you:)

Wow..your budda rocks:))You will get a good hubby defintely. Acche logon ke saath hamesha accha hota hai:)

 

Blogger Stirred not shaken! said ... (7:03 PM) : 

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Blogger Stirred not shaken! said ... (7:10 PM) : 

Thought-provoking, but I have different views. I was writing a reply it turned out to be a blogpost for myself. If you are interested in learning more why we react to certain social situations in certain ways, David Buss at University of Texas at Austin - Psych Dept. has some research on Evolutionary Psychology, it is quite interesting.

 

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